tm is now harder to browse

 i can hardly keep calm here, but i will calmly ask you: what browser are you using? what sequence of buttons do you press to  'open-link-in-new-background-tab'  ??? and what are you agreeing there with? with ganjamo's  first post or his last post or the middle part??? did you notice by a chance, he pretty fast learned how to work with it?

just for the record, these are PROPERLY WORKING ways to open new tab or new window from a link

 

new TAB: put mouse over link, press CTRL + LEFT-BUTTON - works in firefox, ie, safari, netscape.
 

new WINDOW: put mouse over link, press SHIFT + LEFT-BUTTON - works in firefox, ie, safari, netscape.
 

new TAB or WINDOW: put mouse over link, press right RIGHT BUTTON, select from the context menu  - works in firefox, ie, safari, netscape.
 

new TAB or WINDOW: even if your mouse isn't working, you can use keys, such as context menu key, enter+ctrl etc...
 

i do not see Opera in here... may i guess you're using one?

my friend, please, give firefox a try, or maybe ie, safari or netscape, just for half-hour, you will see, that (maybe not the wheel yet, but..) new tabs and bookmarks and new windows opening is properly working, that is also including browser history buttons - they work fine in firefox, ie, safari, netscape.

i am terribly sorry, but there are some issues in opera, it doesn't want to recognize the js function... i'll be trying to solve this problem, and you can check other browsers, while it's onthewaytobeingsolved. thanks!

I use FF and the easier way to browse like i used to is: right click and then "T", its just one click more and you will get used to it pretty fast.
ctrl+left click is easier actually lol.
thanks slash !!

cheers

ok good, so can we rename this topic into "tm is now even easier to browse"? =)

anyways, i've thought of such a thing as "users watching torrents", like on ebay you can watch some auction go and stuff, and that would simply place links onto the screen, maybe below the control panel, or make a new tab on it just for these, and all links would be placed on there for easier access... it could save some extra tabs in your browser and would require less work for the website, as it will simply update where it needs to, simply doing same tabs but through the website's mechanics. would that work?

that would be great  

do i get a three day warning now?

however
im using firefox since the very first version.
and i also use the extension 'al-in-one-gestures' since ages now, even tm wasnt born that time.

i very hope ur familiar with mouse-gestures, are you?

since tm turned into a cute web-application there aren't any links on the pages annymore, only javascript commands. thats okay i guess an app needs command-buttons, no links...
this leads to the sad fact, that when i point my mouse over one of those 'pseudo-links' and execute the gesture (UP) for 'open-link-in-new-background-tab' a sweet unknow tab appears with the adress: javascript: ajaxdata_MAIN("/forums.php","action=viewtopic&topicid=3314&ajaxloader=1");
well, so a, here already mentioned, smart and timesaving browsing isn't possible annymore.

one has to use both hands for mouse and keyboard input.
time to execute this way: +200 to 400% compared to the old mouse gesture way.
(please keep in mind the usual web-surfer has no hand on the keyboard, only the mouse is used)

one has to use both hands for mouse and keyboard input.
time to execute this way: +200 to 400% compared to the old mouse gesture way.
(please keep in mind the usual web-surfer has no hand on the keyboard, only the mouse is used)

time to execute this way: +200 to 300%


even more time consuming. just try to imagine how long it takes to reach the link via the TAB key ...

well i see gnajamo is very adaptive and uses the mouse plus key version. he also admitts that is one click more. haha just one click more that makes two = effort doubled!

very evolving! isn't it?
ur kidding are you?!

but ur luky!
seems im the only one on tm using the most efficient way to browse websites ...
i dont want you to drop the nice ajax project just becaus of me.
not even because of other disadvantages or just because of the javascript security issues. but that is another case.

i was saying that because: yes, i was unfamiliar with mouse gestures, as i wasn't aware of the mouse wheel usage for new-tab-opening. i will definitely accept that. and yes, i am simply overfilled with emotions, when users bring down the result of the issue and demand solutions without the middle part - useful and informative communication on the problem issue.


thanks for allowing me to go on here, you're very generous. and i will. in the meantime, it is very sad, - the way you bring it all up. my friend, why do i need to run after you asking how would you like this or that done? how would you feel if i did this or that? isn't it you, the end user, who's supposed to explain in details what stuff isn't good any more for you, what's up and down, and if you do have problems or issues, as i mentioned before, - i can enable back the Olde Design personally for you to enjoy it. by making fun of me, are you trying to convince me into doing so? not a good strategy. and i'm not a bad person, you know, i give warnings for rule-breaking, and apologize if something bad was my responsibility. i try to work with people, if they answer the same way to me. you know?

i have more to say here. things hard for me to accept, but the truth is, after putting quite a large amount of time in this project, i realize, that i could've done it differently, and it would require less resources, and links there would look like usual links.. still would be alot of javascript, but background mechanics i would change in the way of simplifying the processes, removing some extra checks and revamps. but you don't really need to know this, as i can't really work with you on it...

I received an email not so very long ago telling me the advantages of donating money to tm!
I was led to believe that doing so would make things better;Glad i didn't donate more than I already have done,& I will probably not donate anything further,because instead of making things easier for the user,quite the contrary has happened!imho since the changeover I dont use the site as much as I did b4
simply because of the navigating I have to do to go from one page to another,& it is like I am on a dial up connection,instead of high speed broadband,I am constantly having to close my browser (IE7) &
reopen it again,in order to get any response at all from the site.
Looking @ the points etc that I would need to have in order to revert back to the old design hardly is worth me being here at all.So my donations up to date,& the fact that I am a good sharer count for nothing,as I am stuck (in my estimation) with this crap new design for another year unless I am willing to lick ass,or part with more money.
I will do neither!
In my estimation there has been a very big mistake made here!

here's another great example of a man who works together with you on his own problems. you can say whatever you suspect is right here, although i would recommend to hold your horses and mind your language.. i do not understand, why do i have to be the one who's chasing such friendly users to offer them old setup back, when they say things like this to me?

ps. my dear friend, your donations, as much as they weren't done made in the Marathon Period, so what kind of things you're talking about there? email was trying to convince that becoming a Platinum User will give alot of Advantages, and Donating in General is towards the purchase of a new server, i'm afraid, with $2k we cannot do that yet. well, have a good time!

guys whats wrong with u??TomMix is afraid that he has to click one more button to open the tab? LOL yes i also used the middlebutton mouse.. BUT WHO THE F... CARES. i get alot of good music..who cares how many buttons i click(in the case 1 or 2   ) .. And yes with the new design some functions like Reload or Back are FEW more seconds slower..but guys WHO CARES ABOUT ONE OR TWO CLICKS OR 2 OR 3 SECS TO RELOAD??r u that lazy??u see that slash works his ass off to brings us a better website and u still are talking shitty things to him..if u have a problem explain it friendly!
@ slash: bro, dont make polls like that!ppl like these dont deserve to choose..u should make what u have to do, no matter what ppl say..

and so nobody gets mad @ me i will write with big words This is MY opinion!

n.n.  

amen nn

havent expected ur unfamiliar with gestures, sorry about that ...

okay to sum this up in a view of an enduser like me:
tm changes to a web-application that is ajax based.
-no more links on the site
-no more title description of my window/tab. only tribalmixes dot com :: details for TomMix
-no more title in the history only tribalmixes dot com :: details for TomMix
-no more mouse gestures
-massive javascript website generation on my client
-a totally javascript based site (what about ppl that have javascript disabled?)
-no more loading status of the site visible (please dont tell me that little throbber up in the menue is a replacement for the browsers one or the status bar)
-strange behaviour by using back and forth on the site

hence the effort of browsing tm as a website, i really hope it isnt really a web-application, is doubled and the comfort is halved.
i have to alter my browsing style very massive. and i dont like it and i dont see the advantage at all sorry. maybe u can help to find an ajax advantage for TomMix on tm?
how would you feel if u would have to open two doors, instead of one or none, to get a cup out of the kitchen cupboard from today on?

i admitt, i see the good thing in this, that u will save a lot of bandwidth on ur server.
and i totally agree to that argument!
if u would declare: peeps there is no money. we have to cut the costs and that means ajax. over and out!
but all the other mentioned 'so called advantages of the new website-engine' i dont buy. sorry to say that but i have to.

learning by doing that is okay. but u have to consider there is at least one user who has to live/browse with the result
maybe a betatest would have been suitable? was there one?
and im a good guy too, a critical one though

thanks for a detailed answer.
ps. 2nn: current poll won't affect anything, it's to find out masses' opinion..

No further comment is necessary!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

everyone was just waiting for your last comment, now it's complete and really, "No further comment is necessary!"

I was trying to give some constructive feedback and look what this has become   .

Keep up the good work slash  

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