for angry power users ..., page 3

Thanks! Missed that completely, probably seen it 100+ times!

If I check the current active topics at the homepage tab there are only 2 out of 10 topics concerning electronic music. The majority of topics is composed of games, nonsense talk and mostly filled up by people having too much spare time.

I honestly cannot understand how anyone of the TB administration could relate the quantity of anonymous forum posts about cats and dogs to being a quality user.

This is not meant as an insult to anyone in any way, I just cannot grasp how and why the quantity of forum posts is in any way related to one's love for music. How for example does a "longest sentence ever game topic" contribute to the online community? Please enlighten me.

Would it not be at least more realistic to implement a rating system to qualify forum posts as a contribution to the online music community, or to just simply cut off non-music subfora and related topics from an user's post count? Thus only counting forum posts actually concerning the spread of music around the world, the reason communities like this exist in the first place.

I rather contribute in some "stupid" way, than beginning to rate posts because of their relation to emusic and how sophisticated they are.
Community is about talking, and it (sometimes) does not really matter what you are talking about.
I want more of this off-topic-talks, because I dont have a lot to say about the music instead of "thank you for upping" "great set", "nice trackselection", "loved listening".  

Well then if everyone just blathers on about anything but music, what's the point of class difference in User and Power User. The latter suggesting superior contribution to online music sharing, as to say (again), the reason communities like this exist in the first place is because of these people having massive upload rates. People don't come here to chat about the quality of Japanese seafood or to discuss their preference in red or white whine. The one and only reason people join this community is because we share music, so if by any means the quality of an user is to be measured, it should be based on sharing ratios and audio file uploading.

I suggest this forum post criteria to be altered or rather removed, since quantity of anonymous forum posts does not in the very least has anything to do with someone's contribution to the uploading ratios and sharing of music.

Another extremity in this new proposal can (theoretically) deny users with garguantuan upload ratios from ever becoming more than a mediocre 'user', simply because they don't talk nonsense or have a job, family or whatever they do in real life.

In fact everyone could become a Power User by just joining some random game topic for a day. What a mark of quality that is. I frankly don't see the point.

Well you might be right there indeed, because this is not a democracy of course. But to force upon users to submit posts to gain grades in uploading rights and quality status in total neglect of the posted content, then why oh why implementing these forum posting criteria in the first place?

Don't get me wrong, public fora are among among the basic needs for worldwide communities to get together even though separated by thousands of kilometers.

But as (probably?) stated before, positive upload rates are vital for any free music website to remain sustainable, as positive upload and seeding rates are the second most prominent promotor in the spreading of audio data by our current sharing mechanism, next to the love for music itself. It is places like these who offer DJ's and producers, even the upcoming, the unknown, the poor and the alternative, a free worldwide platform unstained by the greed for currency and are regularly visited by a myriad of artists themselves. And as the contribution of users to downloading, seeding and offline-to-online uploading of such audio data does not decrease nor stagnate per user, it rather increases, I also sincerely believe that within our user population there is an overabundance of fans, lovers, collectors, dreamers and sometimes even fanatics of the electronic dance music scene. And that we are or soon will be in near complete absence of leechers by automatic detection of inactivity and an effective ratio-system. The latter in fact I support of course.

Having summarized the hallmark of free (online) movement of audio data by legal means, in course to support as well fan as artist, I just fail to understand the necessity for users, noting especially those who uphold gargantuan upload and seeding ratios of ten- to even hundredfolds to the majority users, that those who contribute to this website already more than I ever (collectively) could achieve, that they are being forced upon to submit forum posts about cats and dogs to prevent significant degradation of their status and uploading rights. I am of course not referring to myself, having rather mediocre ratios. Though it does affects me as it affects anyone else, because the use of word/reply counting and the quantity of forum posts are - to say the least - a very unrealistic and by far inadequate method to measure contribution to a community and this music scene. Human beings are not to be evaluated by their writings and vocabulary, but by their actions in life, and not at the least by the quantity of their words and sentences. If quantity of words would be equal to quality and contribution, though being fundamentally different things, the supporting pillars of our whole world society would be dominated by methamphetamine addicts and optional the lot of hyperactive disordered mental patients. And I sincerely doubt that such people compose the majority of our user population.

There is nothing wrong with a criteria / minimum post amount, but then at least count those posts related to promoting music. It is not like this whole community would degrade to newspaper quality if users aren't posting the most recent achievements of their gardening skills and being able to make unusual long sentences in one of our 'gaming' topics. Because what now is being achieved is users posting the most uninteresting and sometimes odd things just to uphold Power User status, myself included. And actually to quite the opposite of what the administrators are trying to achieve, namely an increase in users of high quality, what you get is bulk posters of nonsense because there is no content control. It is like saying to a police officer that he is incompetent because he didn't fine enough citizens to reach his year quota. And I would like to ask you (all), does the amount of fines tells you anything about an officers capability to do his job?

man, don't make me laugh, seriously... i have to pull those posts out of ANGRY POWER USERS with blood and snot, and you suggest i give them apparatus to rate forum posts? when barely anyone is planning to stick around in the forums after those #$#$^$% ten posts? look at torrent ratings, barely 10% of users bother to rate torrents they downloaded, although now torrents stick around on a 100-torrent 1st browse page for 1-2 weeks, it's easy to scroll and NOT leaving that page rate your downloads. who does that? one out of 10-30 people, 10 - with very beloved DJs... 10% care to rate the integral part of the site - torrents. how many will take upon rating of posts, a side-feature of the site?

it's too late and i'll check last 2 posts tomorrow after work, but generally speaking, forums are for everyone to talk about anything, the idea is not really the relevant discussion, but the gathering and talk and chat of like-minded people. while comments really do the job of per-torrent-a talking and discussions, forums are here to let people unwind rather then stiffen up, right? probably what latin is for forum - some public gathering talk... anyways, sifting through posts to find relevant to music, - sounds like a too-big-a-task too me, even programming-wise.

soon there'll be system to enter vids and tracks from youtube and clouds, that will have voting up and down, and also user classes will soon become more distinct, with more gradation in each and more achievements to go thru, to make it more fun. stick around!        

many, very many of your questions are answered in earlier posts of this thread. please, skim thru them.

and remember: i do not care what others think about the way i run this place. being pissy about this have brought more than 1 person to "full isolation" aka "silence mode", when you cannot submit anything to the site. just play lottery and download.

That is actually the point I was trying to make, probably nobody would. Most users will just bulk post the forum to keep Power User status and don't really care about the topics in the first place, and even I on amp am not going to rate user posts.

The ones that do post on the forum though, and also the ones that join the forum for solely the discussion/questions/answers concerning music, they are already posting. And I'd like to, but are prevented by job and education to actively join public discussion on several topics. In fact the sole reason I am posting this week is because I'd like to start uploading soon, from which I will be prevented starting off from the 19th of april, if I don't submit 10 posts here. So actually there is no complaint at all, I just think it's rather odd.

Nevertheless I do not doubt the good intention nor the utmost effort you guys put into maintaining this community, so I would blindly agree to (almost) every rule you set upon us. I only recently joined, and making a big fuss about it wasn't really my intention, I just get carried away in discussions like this.

And finally after reading three long post...

1. You didn't add anything new
2. Upload speeds and amounts are not of that much value as you say, anyone these days can have fast does, worst case rent seedbox with friends...
3. Again sysop hat on: I know better what is needed by this community.

Yes well now having actually read the full topic, I feel need to apologize.

I don't think you have to mind my opposition to this anymore, since I had an epiphany just now. Because while reading yesterdays posts again, I also noticed a certain opinion expressed through my posting behaviour, and you might actually have gotten to know me a little bit better. So on the other hand, it might even be effective and improve the community. Because I would participate in any discussion I think deserves attention, though at the moment am in lack of time (like 40 hours a day).

So if it is of no problem by reaching the 10 posts criteria using a random topic about nonsense, I will do.

Thus thanks, and my excuses for the terrible long posts. You all without doubt have better things to do than reading these things all over and over.

wow!!!!! prime example of utter nonsense, 2 posts 2 go

all is good.

an average situation from "who cares" camp: XXcoolX was power user, had 3 forum posts and 80 comments, just needed 7 more posts, didn't care much, done 3 in 15 minutes yesterday, 4 more in 10 minutes today, 25 minutes total, that is including browsing and getting torrents most likely, and got back to normal life as before.

another situation, this time from "i don't like it" group: user YYkewlY was power user, got pissed at new rule, never used forums and didn't want to, but had to, cause being power user was so important, so started arguing and teaching everyone else how to live their lives. while doing that realized that he/she is only 3 posts away from the 10 needed, made 3 more meaningless posts, and got on with his/her life.

and third situation, maybe 50% of all: didn't give a fuck and never will.

and fourth situation: OH!! there are FORUMS??? nice!!

so as i said before, i know better, what is good and what is not. now you're all crying and stuff, new users, when they come via invites, will see these rules as something natural, thus will comply without any crying. there were about 1000 power users on tm, i was expecting a better turn out, but oh well, we're not going anywhere...

on the other hand, we are going to introduce something to spur some voluntary forum usage by bringing in some perks... but that is a different story.

new forum posts and comment requirements are bullshit

I don't see why anyone should be angry over the new rules. That seems like such a waste of energy.
Slash, I understand your frustration. Please know that your hard work is appreciated by many.