Where are all the seeders?, page 1

Hi :) .

I wanted to make a huge download-session with ratio-free-downloads to be able to host a lot more torrents myself afterwards. However, almost none of the torrents I wanted to download have any seeders! The torrents are mostly recordings from TM-radio, so Sacret Habitat, Time Differences and Underground Resident. They're not really that old, newest ones from this week, oldest ones maybe 2-3y.
In the list I got through search, all of them had at least 2 seeders according to the display of the website. In my torrent-client, some have as many as 30 peers, but not a single seeder!

Do I simply have to wait longer to find those seeders, or am I doing something wrong?

Seraiel

wait longer. i, for example, have 22k torrents in my utorrent, with only 8k active. it takes some time for all that scraping and shmaping for utorrent to realize it has to start some other torrents..

Ok, I'll wait.

But do you think I should trade in the 2h of ratio-free downloads now and start the torrents? Or can I leave them paused until I see that there are more seeders?

Ok, one needs to actually start downloading the torrents, then the seeders show instantly, having them paused the seeders don't get found /shown.

Very interested, how far I'll get in 2h of ratio-free downloads. Need to download at least 2.5GB, otherwise, download debit would have made more sense. I'll post the result later :) .

Ratio-Free-Downloads was an excellent choice, downloaded 15 GB in 2h and finished almost 50 torrents. Should have waited for the points to directly get 6h though, but for testing, it was ok. If I only had known about that feature when I found this site and when I downloaded 50 GB of music .

good job. yes, of course downloads need to be started, otherwise other clients won't care to show seeds on torrents without downloaders.. recently i;ve enabled multi-scrape, so capable clients request info for several dozen torrents at a time, making scraping process way more efficient.

so, well... did you download any ratio-free torrents during your ratio-free downloads?
         

Not many, maybe 5 or 6. Was a little surprised about getting the awards for them too, because this would be a very efficient way to get download-debit without buying it directly, just get 72h of ratio-free-downloads, download all ratio-free-torrents from this site, profit ^^ . I hope this would only be possible once for every ratio-free-torrent, because otherwise, it would be a real exploit ^^ .

Multi-scrape was enabled by default setting in my uTorrent-client already. I'm using version 2.2.1 like you, but probably a different build.

Slash, how many half-open connections do you allow for? My uTorrent has a default setting of 100, that is extremely many. In qBitTorrent, they had 50 as a default setting and they advised users to go down to 20-25 if they encountered problems, like i. e. WLAN failing and similar. I have 0 kB / s up- and download several times / h and also cannot open any websites during that time, and it seems, WLAN is the problem, because I havn't experienced them when being connected over LAN yet.

And another question:

Sometimes I see seeders for one of my incompleted torrents, and I can not download from them. Are seeders that didn't configure their Torrent-client and Router properly, so cannot be connected to, still shown as seeders? Does the site recognize them as seeding a torrent (and i. e. doesn't give them hit- and runs) even though connecting to them is impossible?

And another thing, WTF. There are seeders I can connect to and download from, but with 0.1 or 0.2 kB / s! Even a 56k modem connection would allow for more, do they maybe throttle their upload-speed to minimum, so the site recognizes them as successfully seeding torrents while efficiently downloading from them actually gets prevented by them?

Sry for multi-post, I mistook the quote + reply button for the edit button. Edited the posts as good as possible, but cannot delete this one.

forgot about half-opens years ago.

sometimes nothing would download cause my drives are overloaded.

torrent seeding system is very fragile, it works, until you prod it with a stick... do you suggest for the site to keep trying every peer and download bits of data via bittorrent protocol to confirm that this is a peer and is seeding? tracker decides on what info client gives it. tracker cannot know whether client seeds just 1% of the torrent or 100% of it. or do you feel since you can't connect - then it's not a seed? i don't understand. so what "slow"? noone uses modems anymore. this could be connection via smart phone or something, that has 15 wifi routers on the way to your client, so 95% of data is lost along the way. and then again, how do you suggest we treat seeders that have not figured out the settings? i don't get it, bro. first you're glad site doesn't differ between connectable and not, now you're suggesting we differentiate between them? how do you suggest we show these bad seeders? how will system guess this connection is not good? check?system does check, gives it 1 connection, and decides if peer is connectable this way,. what if something happened on this very connection? do you suggest we keep trying this peer, hoping it will be connectable? how many times?

just because you're frustrated with some peers that you can't connect to, doesn't mean that i have to remake whole site and change all the working ways into working 5x harder ways,,

after reading through all this thread's new posts, the only viable question i saw was about half-opens.  i understand you got a leg in with sysop now, but that doesn't mean i will be nurturing your every doubts... i read forums and answer posts when i find them requiring so or find myself willing to.

You misunderstood something. I never suggested this as a change of the site, it were simple questions. I'm trying to make the site become more alive, and torrents not being seeded or seeded with 0.1 kB/s appeared as a problem to me, so I asked if this is common, nothing more.

And yes, seeders I can't connect to I don't see as seeders. The comment about the modems was a joke, I know nobody uses them anymore.

I'm still glad that I found this site, but if you think I ever only spent one thought on "you nurturing me" or using you in any way for my own goals, you're as wrong as you could be. I saw you as a friendly person and I'm friendly too. Because of that, I made myself thoughts about how to improve this site and you yourself asked how we could get more activity to it, I'm just trying to help, because that's just how I am. I'm guessing the sharp tone actually isn't ment to be that sharp, and that you just didn't know what to think of my post and that you were asking honest questions. Don't think, that you being SysOP changes even one thing for me, things like that don't matter for me. I'm friendly, because I think friendlyness is something good, I try to help, because imo. helping is below the few good things that humans actually do to each other, and the reason why you and I have contact is, because you always answered to my posts, not because I tried to get contact to SysOP for whatever.

Keep cool .